Carol Churcher has never met Sue and Steve Tuck.
But what they say of losing a child is nearly identical: That parenting does not stop after your child dies.
Scott and Tia - their children - killed themselves after long struggles with mental health.
Scott, who lived in Suffolk, was 44 and died in 2016. Tia, who lived in Cambridgeshire, was 21 and died in 2018.
Both families have kept their children's remains - Carol had some of Scott's remains ground down and mixed with pigment for a tattoo on her arm.
Both families continue to grapple with their loss.
And both families, in different ways, hope the world beyond can benefit from their terrible experiences.